Tag Archives: abortion

ENDNOTE: Top bishops clash

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Top-bishops-clash-over-excommunication-of-Catholics-who-support-new-abortion-bill–208277631.html

Top bishops clash over excommunication of Catholics who support new abortion bill
Archbishops Diarmuid Martin and Eamon Martin disagree strongly on how to handle issue
By PATRICK COUNIHAN, IrishCentral Staff Writer
Published Tuesday, May 21, 2013, 7:03 AMUpdated Tuesday, May 21, 2013, 9:11 AM

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A row has erupted between two senior Irish Catholic church leaders over the treatment of those who support the new abortion legislation.

Dublin Archbishop Diarmuid Martin and Coadjutor Archbishop of Armagh Eamon Martin have clashed as the abortion debate intensifies. Eamon Martin is newly appointed and will be Ireland’s top clergyman when he takes over from Cardinal Sean Brady in a year.

The Irish Independent reports that their sharp disagreement is the first sign of division among senior clerics.

The Dublin Archbishop spoke after Archbishop Eamon Martin warned that politicians who knowingly introduced legislation ‘aiding and abetting abortion’ should not approach a priest looking for communion.

Archbishop Eamon Martin said that legislators who supported abortion were excommunicating themselves.

He said: “You cannot regard yourself as a person of faith and support abortion.

“If a legislator comes to me and says, ‘Can I be a faithful Catholic and support abortion?’ I would say no. Your communion is ruptured if you support abortion.

“You are excommunicating yourself. Any legislator who clearly and publicly states this should not approach looking for communion.”

In response Archbishop Diarmuid Martin told the paper he does not want to see the sacrament of communion being used ‘for publicity reasons’ by anybody in the debate surrounding abortion.

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If Holy Mother Church’s Leadership can’t agree to defend “the brand”, what hope does the Church have?

Sorry, but if you can’t enforce doctrinal discipline, then scratch “bad example” as a sin.

If “we” believe some thing is sacred, like life, then how do we rationalize this “controversy”.

I don’t pretend to be a saint, but when I move to NH and run for office, (Lord willing), I’ll defend life.

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ENDNOTE: Cardinals should lead!

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=17841&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CatholicWorldNewsFeatureStories+%28Catholic+World+News+%28on+CatholicCulture.org%29%29

Cardinal joins protest over Boston College commencement honor for Irish leader
CWN – May 10, 2013

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Responding to protests by a lay Catholic activist group in Massachusetts, Boston’s Cardinal Sean O’Malley has denounced plans by Boston College to award an honorary degree to Irish prime minister Enda Kenny.

Kenny is scheduled to be the principal speaker at Boston College commencement exercises on May 20. The Catholic Action League of Massachusetts had urged Catholics to oppose the invitation to Kenny, and to express their concerns to officials at the Jesuit- run school, to Jesuit superiors, and to Boston’s Cardinal Sean O’Malley.

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It’s about time!

Now how about all the CINO politicians!

Revoke their right to proclaim that they are “Catholic” if they vote for abortion.

That’s for a start.

The Church should tell them how to vote, but should vigorously and publicly object to them labeling themselves as “Catholic”.

I’ve been to Funeral Masses where the Priest will take time to gently, politely, and lovingly explain to the Congregation about Communion and what it means. Should they do any less for the CINO politicians.

Argh!

Burns my butt. I’m a sinner; we all are. I just don’t proclaim that I’m a saint.

Argh!

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POSITRACTION: White House’s “No Comment” should activate moral outrage

http://www.lifenews.com/2013/04/15/white-house-no-comment-on-gosnell-beheading-babies-in-abortions/

White House: No Comment on Gosnell “Beheading” Babies in Abortions
by Steven Ertelt | Washington, DC | LifeNews.com | 4/15/13 1:59 PM

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White House spokesman Jay Carney today said President Barack Obama has no comment on the murder trial involving late-term abortion practitioner Kermit Gosnell.

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Yeah, I know, what’s positive about this.

It’s rubbing the killing of babies under the rubric of “choice” in all the Sheeple’s noses.

I’ve read the stories and it takes a pretty hard heart not to cry.

I think back what my now-departed wife and I would have given to have any of those children entrusted to our care.

I find this a POSITIVE story, because until we look EVIL right in the eye, call it for what it is, and get enraged, then we can turn a deaf ear and a blind eye to it.

I hope every Jasper, regardless of their position on the issue, reads every story.

It motivates me to action. I hope it will you.

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ENDNOTE: 330m abortion

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/6724580a-8d64-11e2-82d2-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2NfPaZpkL

Last updated: March 15, 2013 6:48 pm

New data reveal scale of China abortions
By Simon Rabinovitch in Beijing

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Chinese doctors have performed more than 330m abortions since the government implemented a controversial family planning policy 40 years ago, according to official data from the health ministry.

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Holy <synonym for excrement>!

Sorry, but can anyone spell “genocide”?

argh!

It makes me want to cry.

Frau Reinke and I would have loved any of those 330 M babies.

I am going to cry.

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POSITRACTION: Before the U.S. Supreme Court by pro-life advocates

http://www.wnd.com/2013/03/protesters-challenge-ban-on-truth-about-choice/

WND EXCLUSIVE
PROTESTERS CHALLENGE BAN ON TRUTH ABOUT ‘CHOICE’
Supremes asked to restore speech rights to pro-lifers
Published: 1 day ago
by BOB UNRUH

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A Colorado court’s decision that revealing the truth about abortion – through images of the results of the violent procedures – can be banned is being challenged before the U.S. Supreme Court by pro-life advocates who charge that such content-based restrictions are unconstitutional.

The case is being presented to the high court by officials with the Thomas More Society, who have engaged Professor Eugene Volokh of UCLA’s law school, a widely acclaimed, prolific First Amendment legal scholar and author, to take the lead.

Volokh, who blogs at the Volokh Conspiracy, drafted the petition for certiorari which was filed with the U.S. Supreme Court this week.

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It’s a shame we only hear of these valiant warriors in the alternative media.

I’ve sent them a couple of bucks from time to time. 

But, does that do enough?

As a little L libertarian, I don’t want the Gooferment with its heavy handed one size fits all diktats forcing people to do or not do anything. That includes restricting “free speech” because the truth is unpleasant. 

Abortion should make people sick. 

It should be the rarest of procedures. For the life of the mother. Really, not some fakey diagnosis. Rape and incest. Hard choices for any women without my help or the thugs pretending to “The Government”. Certainly not as an alternative to birth control. 

I would hope that by the beauty and logic of our arguments we can sway people to “choose life”.

One way is to make it not clean and impersonal, but messy and gory and as repulsive an act as ever a man could do to a woman. (Most docs are men!)

Today’s Mario Day. March 10. MAR10 get it. And I know a young Mario. I can’t imagine the world without him. I don’t know how he will turn out, but he’s got a right to life. He had an older sister who he never knew. She “failed to thrive”. But she had every chance. I don’t know how she would have turned out. But I saw the pain of her loss in all my loved ones.

I keep coming back to the same point. We know so much but understand too little. Supposed one of these aborted babies was “scheduled” to cure cancer, bring world peace, or compose beautiful music. And, that has been lost forever. Like when you played the original Adventure computer game, if you killed the bird, then you could never get by the snake. (It’s a computer geek axiom, “don’t kill the bird”, meaning you don’t know what you may need later.)

So I’ll say prayer that this case goes “Life’s way”. And, I’ll be more alert to help the cause in the future.

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ENDNOTE: Coulter make an “outrageous” argument

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/01/03/coulter_why_cant_we_get_a_list_of_women_who_have_abortions.html

Coulter: Why Can’t We Get A List Of Women Who Have Had Abortions?

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Why, as that man just said, why aren’t we getting names of recently paroled criminals? People with gun permits, by definition, do not criminal records. Why can’t we get the criminal records? No, you can’t get that. Why can’t we get a record of women who have had abortions? They get money from Planned Parenthood, they get money from Medicare, from Medicaid. They’re tax subsidies. I think, you know, mothers might want to know what other women on their street might be willing to murder a child.

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It’s an interesting question.

Privacy?

Why are somethings “private” and out-of-bounds?

Liberals want to embarrass and target gun owners. They take a different view of abortion!

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ENDNOTE: Pregnant woman dies in Irish hospital

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/-17-week-pregnant-woman-dies-in-Irish-hospital-after-doctors-refuse-termination-179266241.html#axzz2CCd07IAT

17-week pregnant woman dies in Irish hospital after doctors refuse termination | Irish News and Politics spanning the US, Ireland and the World | IrishCentral

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Savita Halappanavar (31), an Indian native and dentist in Galway, died of septic shock a week after being admitted, the Irish Times has revealed.

Her husband, Praveen Halappanavar (34), who is an engineer at Boston Scientific in Galway, says his wife asked several times for her pregnancy to be terminated but was refused because the foetal heartbeat was present and they were told “this is a Catholic country.”

He said she spent two and half days in agony until the heartbeat stopped.

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There’s a lot of opinion floating around.

I’m no theologian and I have the D’s to prove it.

But I remember something about “saving the life of the mother” as morally acceptable. She has a right life too. It’s a disaster. A tragedy. A moral no-win situation.

Sounds like some one made a terrible call. Maybe an honest mistake.

I’d be interested in hearing from someone on this one.

After all I am just fat old white guy injineer.

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ENDNOTE: The American Holocaust

http://thenewamerican.com/index.php/culture/family/2657-a-new-pro-life-documentary-blood-money

A New Pro-life Documentary: “Blood Money”   
Written by Rebecca Terrell   
Tuesday, 29 December 2009 18:45

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LifeSiteNews interviewed David K. Kyle, who wrote, directed, and co-produced the video. He explained the original title was “The American Holocaust,” but the production crew soon realized each interview they conducted pointed to one driving force behind the abortion industry: money. “As I traveled around the country last September doing all these interviews with various pro-life leaders and women who had had abortions, the money part just kept coming up.” Kyle lamented, “People are making millions upon millions of dollars off the murdering of innocent babies.”

In another interview with Catholic News Agency, Kyle explained that the central message of Blood Money is “abortion destroys lives” of unborn children as well as the women who have abortions and their families. He said the industry masks its monetary motives behind a ruse of helping women. He hopes the film will expose abortionists’ true incentives.

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[JR: Even if you don't subscribe to the religious or moral reasons to oppose abortion, here's a message that might sway you: "follow the money"! Personally, I'm swayed by the loss of potential. Might "we" (as a species) aborted the person who would have cured cancer? How many people will suffer from these incalculable losses. It is "our" holocaust. When will it end?]

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ENDNOTE: Jasper “Key West Lou” [MC????] thinks about abortion

http://www.keywestlou.com/2009/12/yesterday-was-not-typical-sunday.html

My Life in Key West
Monday, December 7, 2009
Jasper “Key West Lou” [MC????]

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And back to Saint Ambrose.

The Italians celebrate his day big time. Especially in Milan where he sat as Bishop.

Ambrose was born in Germany around 340 AD. Not an Italian. He died in Milan in 397 AD.

Ambrose was rich. Also, a big time political figure. This is before he became Bishop of Milan. This is before he was even a priest. In fact, it is even before he was baptized a Catholic.

The Church had its problems even back then. Powerful political figures were elevated to lofty Church positions.

The Pope wanted to make Ambrose Bishop of Milan. A big job! But he was not even a baptized Catholic. Ergo, he was not a memebr of the Catholic Church.

No problem. He was sprinkled with water and baptized. A week later the Pope officially made Ambrose Bishop of Milan!

I do not know why the Pope made Ambrose bishop. Whatever he may have expected from Ambrose did not materialize. Ambose took the job seriously. He was not just another political hack.

He gave all his lands and money to the poor. Shades of Saint Anthony. He commenced living the ascetic lifestyle.

Ambrose was not married before he became Bishop. Nor did he marry afterwards. Nor did he fool around.

Clergy were permitted to marry in those days under certain circumstances. Ambrose would have nothing of it.

Theodosius was Emperor at the time. He and Bishop Ambrose had a falling out over some issue. Bishop Ambrose forbad the Emperor from partaking of the Sacraments, including receiving Communion. It took seven months for Theodosius to see the light of day. When Theodosius corrected what Bishop Ambrose thought were his errant ways, the Bishop returned him to the Sacraments and the right to receive Communion.

I tell this story on this special day because it reflects what some of the Catholic Church hierarchy are attempting to do with certain elected officials over the abortion issue today.

Nothing changes.

The Catholic Church in one of its corrupt times still had members who believed and lived God’s life. As it is today.

I do not know who is right. This abortion issue is difficult. I believe in separation of church and state.

Is refusal to offer communion a violation of that separation? Is abortion a violation of God’s law?

Enjoy your day.

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[JR: Abortion is certainly a difficult issue. And, I certainly don't hold myself out as a paragon of virtue or the ultimate moral authority. But certain principles are easily observable to this old injineer. (1) Abortion kills a potential human life. And is the start of the "slippery slope". (2) The Catholic Church has a right and duty to protect and preserve its "brand". Politicians, who voluntarily assert they are "catholic", have to observe the organization's dogmas. (3) As a Little L Libertarian, the "separation" is about the proper role of the State on the People. (4) As a "pro-lifer", I shouldn't be force to pay taxes for a morally abhorrent activity. (5) Finally, abortion is a personal issue. The State should have a very small role in protecting its future citizens. That is to make sure that abortions are as rare as possible. "Refusal" isn't a violation of the separation. Abortion as it is performed today most certainly is. Even if there is no God, it's a contra survival practice for a species. What if we have aborted the person who would cure cancer? Seems an appropriate Christmas reflection. Holy Innocents? Hope everyone had a happy holy day.]

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JEMAIL: Toner, Mike (MC1972) chastizes the CIC

Dear John,

Your headline and the beginning of this story that you quote make it sound like the bill would offer free-for-all abortions, which is not the case. The jack-booted bishops and their allies came in and undid a carefully crafted compromise that did not violate the principles of the Hyde amendment but allowed people to pay for abortion coverage in an otherwise federally-funded plan. We live in a plural society. Many people do not believe that human life begins at conception. If you don’t believe in abortion, don’t have one – but let those who believe differently use their money as they wish.

I would have thought that this would be the libertarian position.

mike toner
BEE ‘72
Buffalo, NY

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[JR: The Libertarian position would be that there should be NO forced taxation. Not like that is going to happen anytime soon. We can go into other Libertarian thoughts from there. But, let's start from there. As a taxpayer, it is abhorrent to be forced to pay for killing human beings. (I don't support the war or capital punishment either.) There is no way they can get away from the fact that this uses federal funds to pay for abortions. Otherwise why does it have ANY connection to the federally funded plan. They can squirm all they want but it does. And, I don't want to pay for it. Make the taxes voluntary, and see how much they collect! Us libertarians would like nothing better if EVERYONE could spend their money anyway they want. Sorry if I've disappointed you. It's not about beliefs; it's about force.]

Toner, Mike (MC1972)

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