COMMENT: Toner, Mike (MC1972) makes three points


Dear f. John, Three points of interest from the most recent JJ:

Your endnote – In trying to reduce meat consumption – it is indeed VERY difficult to see a carrot as a steak…

Opening positraction – a very heartening story but very randomly dependent on the story going “viral”. This is why I continue to support programs like Medicaid, AFDC, Food Stamps, etc. I think we need well known, well publicized programs that can support larger numbers rather than a hit or miss “go fund me” project…

Your item about the Dutch girl who wanted to end her life… Were you saying that you were now OK that she starved herself to death, where you weren’t OK with her being able to end her life with prescribed drugs and presumably less pain? Would this not be a distinction without a real difference. Not sure what you meant about protecting “right to life”?

Thanks as always, for all you do to keep us connected!!

mike toner bee ’72 buffalo, ny

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[JR: (1) Well, the Impossible Burger® is very good.  And, you just have to reeducate your taste buds. I read and follow (badly) the “How Not To Die” doc, Michael Greger’s podcast.  Ethical considerations aside, the “Uganda versus St. Louis” data made a believer out of me.  And, this stuff has been “known” for long time.  But “eat your veggies” won’t make Big Pharma, Big Medicne, politicians, and bureaucrats rich. I’m personally appalled at these facts.  (2)  I am fundamentally opposed to ANY Gooferment program.  They are by definition immoral, ineffective, and inefficient. As well as untrustworthy. Private charity is much more effective and efficient. Stealing from others is wrong, regardless of what the robber does with the results of that theft. (3) I’m a pro-life little L libertarian.  When the story was first reported it was the Gooferment killing her.  The corrected story took that element out.  I think that everyone is free to make their choices.  I would hope that as a society these stories would be rare and certainly not “encouraged” by Gooferment politicians and bureaucrats to profit others (i.e., Planned Parenthood). Before someone is “given” the drugs to kill themself, I’d hope their was a lot PRIVATELY funded counseling. We shouldn’t make animals suffer needlessly.  Same for humans. But there has to be a lot of safeguards to minimize people making an irreversible mistake. That’s also why I oppose the “death penalty” in almost all cases (i.e., except when the risk to the guards is unacceptable like Hannibal Lecter).]

[JR: Thanks for the comment.  A link to Doc Michael Greger’s book and podcast is below.]

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Maybe, the Africans were just dying early of other diseases, and so, never lived long enough to get heart disease? No; here’s age-matched heart attack rates in Uganda versus St. Louis. Out of 632 autopsies in Uganda, one myocardial infarction. Out of 632 Missourians—same age and gender distribution—136 myocardial infarctions. More than a hundred times the rate of our #1 killer. In fact, they were so blown away they did another 800 autopsies in Uganda, and still, just that one small healed infarct (meaning it wasn’t even the cause of death) out of 1,427 patients. Less than one in a thousand, whereas in the U.S., it’s an epidemic.

How do the doctors even know what to look for over there, then? Though practically unheard of among the native population, the physicians are quite familiar with heart disease, because of all the folks that immigrate to the countries in Africa.

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