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COMMENT: Toner, Mike (MC1972) What, exactly, is the problem with providing bathrooms for transgendered people?

2016-Sep-26

Toner, Mike (MC1972)

Last week’s endnote…
ENDNOTE: Massachusetts wants a parish fish fry to be considered “secular”?

What, exactly, is the problem with providing bathrooms for transgendered people? Not sure I understand the threat to our “religious freedom” – unless that “freedom” is interpreted to mean freedom to be mean-spirited and discriminatory…

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Mike: 

Let me see if I can itemize the problems I have with this Taxchusetts Gooferment diktat.

(1) Private property

(2) Interference with “religion”

(3) Public interest in “transgendered freedom”

(4) The proper role of religion in secular issues

(5) The overall over reach of the regulatory state

That should about do it.

I’m sure that the good people involved in the Church in question would approach every one with charity and provide such toilet facilities as they possibly could. When I had asthma and the bathrooms were downstairs, I was offered the use of the bathroom in the sacristy. I’m sure that discrete arrangements could be made. And would be. BUT, retrofitting a special bathroom would be fantastically expensive in most old structures. Gooferment Skrules have nurses’ offices with bathrooms that can be provided. 

So the diktat improperly infringes on private property, interferes with the free exercise of religion, and is a total overreach into the private social space.

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COMMENT: Toner, Mike (MC1972) comments on Couric

2016-Sep-11

Reporter : Toner, Mike (MC1972)

Dear f. John,

In last weeek’s Positraction you said (regarding Katie Couric’s decision to take a pay cut to save some jobs):
“It’s no secret that I am “hard” on liberal media “celebrities” for their biased reporting.

In this case, I must “give the devil his due”.

That was a nice thing to do.

Given her low ratings caused the show to be cancelled, it was a hollow victory.

But kudos for the attempt.”

Kudos to you for giving Katie Couric credit – but two points jump out

1. Not that I agree with equating Ms. Kouric with the devil – but shouldn’t you be giving the devil “her” due. You don’t think that devils are only male, do you?

2. You mitigate your praise by calling her good deed “hollow” becasue the show was eventually cancelled. I don’t think this is exactly true. Ms. Couric left CBS News at the end of her five year contract. Admittedly the ratings were low but the CBS Evening News continues to this day – now with Scott Pelley. While I presume a few of her senior proucers were replaced, I don’t think that there were many or any layoffs owing to her departure.

As always, thanks for your untiring efforts as CIC

Mike Toner
BEE ’72
Buffalo, NY

[JR: (1) I should have said “her”. And it’s just old phrase. (2) “Hallow”, in the sense, that it just was a not.]  

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COMMENT: Toner, Mike (MC1972) sees Kaine differently

2016-Aug-23

In last week’s endnote…
Catholic Church Gives Pro-Abortion Tim Kaine a Standing Ovation
NATIONAL EMILY DEROIS JUL 29, 2016 | 5:39PM WASHINGTON, DC

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On Sunday, Democratic vice presidential candidate Tim Kaine was given a standing ovation by his Catholic parish, California Catholic Daily reported. While his fellow parishioners are celebrating him as Hillary Clinton’s pro-abortion running mate, many Catholics are speaking out against him because of his position on abortion…

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I would suggest that he is not “pro-abortion” – but simply pro -“let women make their own decisions about their bodies” without government interference and let that freedom not be limited to those “of means”…

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[JR: That might be one way to look at it. But, I’ll grant you that as soon as he speaks out about other “government interference”! ]  

Toner, Mike (MC1972)

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COMMENT: Costello, Donald (MC1954) responds to Toner, Mike (MC1972)

2016-Aug-09

Author Donald Costello
In Response To COMMENT: Toner, Mike (MC1972)
Submitted on 2016/08/09 at 11:58 am
Comment

Sorry Mike that is not what I was taught by the FSC at Manhattan or by any Church Doctrine issued by the Church.

In our courses at Manhattan we used “Moral Guidance” by Healey and abortion and same sex marriage was not kosher. We studied the Principle of double effect and that didn’t apply either.

We were also taught to hate the sin and love the sinner. We were taught that to commit a mortal sin three things were required: 1) Serious Matter 2) Sufficient Reflection and 3) Full consent of the will.

I at least believe we agree that abortion is a serious matter. I also believe that there are many oppressed, badly treated women, who simply didn’t have the energy for sufficient reflection and/or full consent of the will. In any event it is not for me to judge such situations. That is God’s job.

It does not help that you tell others what you think without evidence that you have the qualifications in Moral Guidance etc. to give an opinion worth addressing.

It is as bad as going out on the web and finding tidbits of data and then giving cardiologic opinion about a heart condition.

So the bottom lime Mike,” me boyo” is my advice for you is to take two humility pills a day for a week and all will be OK.

If I haven’t stated the Theologically accepted rules of the church convict me and I’ll go back to the books and study some more.

If you don’t mind I will however grieve for the 60,000,000 aborted babies that our nation has seen since the Roe wade decision and almost of many very hurt mothers and fathers. I sure hope that God does not feel mocked by our actions and get sick of us.

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Costello, Donald (MC1954)

Toner, Mike (MC1972)

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Toner, Mike (MC1972)

COMMENT: Costello, Donald (MC1954) responds to Toner, Mike (MC1972)

2016-Jul-14

Author Donald Costello
   
In Response To COMMENT: Toner, Mike (MC1972) responds to Costello, Donald (MC1954)
Submitted on 2016/07/12 at 4:05 pm
Comment

That’s what old Jaspers like…a good argument. In 1853 when Manhattan was born and in 1954 when I finished 27 credits of Religion and Philosophy and in 1972 when you graduated, Manhattan and the Catholic Church preached, taught and theologized that Abortion and Gay Marriage and in fact Gay practice was wrong.

All the sins we commit hurt the Mystical Body of Christ and that includes the young children therein.

So we leave the mystic and come to the dinner table of one of my older family members who has a gay marriage couple at the dinner table; and so a young grandchild says “what do you mean they are married?”. Now you know how this rough and tumble old Jasper would answer that.

And the old Homosexual couple who teach say to the young boy who feels guilty about masturbating “it’s a choice” .

Or that old SOB advertising agency takes after Bob Dole and puts up a sexy lady to sell Viagra during the six PM news.

I could go on to pederasty but you can pick up the thread.

There are a significant number of laymen and women, addicted to various forms of illicit sex to the point where it is another problem area to add to the list most of us see but don’t want to confront.

I thank God for Brother Alban of Mary, Brother Luke, Brother Benignus all of whom were part of a group of men who gave us good meat to chew on whose taste has lasted all these years and whose principles say to Manhattan Men , sinners all, of yesterday and today “Abortion and Same Sex Marriage and wrong “ but hate the sin and love the sinner.

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Costello, Donald (MC1954) 

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COMMENT: Toner, Mike (MC1972) responds to Costello, Donald (MC1954)

2016-Jul-12

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Author Costello, Donald (MC1954)
In Response To JEMAIL: Toner, Mike (MC1972) agrees about “live and let live”
Submitted on 2016/07/05 at 3:08 pm
Comment

Sorry Mike…I prefer to believe that it is just and necessary to shine our brights on those who approve of abortion and/or gay marriage and thereby admonish the sinner as we were advised to do.

This is especially true if you, as I am, are a sinner who with God’s help somebody flashed their brights at me saying” there is a hell” and that is where you well may go if you keep on living a sinful life. By listening to him I changed my spots admitted my sins and came back to the Church and God’s love.

The rationalism that accompanies the pro choice and gay marriage voices is killing many of our children and my prayer is that God will shine his light on you and yours. and save your brain, heart and soul.

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In response to Don Costello

I certainly appreciate Jasper Don’s concern for my place in the afterlife…

While he and I seem to disagree about the time when life begins and thus his view on abortion as the killing of children, I cannot understand how he would view gay marriage as threatening the lives of children. I can understand – but disagree with – his objection to gay marriage but can’t fathom his thinking that it threatens children’s lives.

Mike Toner
Buffalo, NY
BEE ’72

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COMMENT: Costello, Donald (MC1954) disagrees

2016-Jul-06

Author Costello, Donald (MC1954)
   
In Response To JEMAIL: Toner, Mike (MC1972) agrees about “live and let live”
Submitted on 2016/07/05 at 3:08 pm
Comment

Sorry Mike…I prefer to believe that it is just and necessary to shine our brights on those who approve of abortion and/or gay marriage and thereby admonish the sinner as we were advised to do.

This is especially true if you, as I am, are a sinner who with God’s help somebody flashed their brights at me saying” there is a hell” and that is where you well may go if you keep on living a sinful life. By listening to him I changed my spots admitted my sins and came back to the Church and God’s love.

The rationalism that accompanies the pro choice and gay marriage voices is killing many of our children and my prayer is that God will shine his light on you and yours. and save your brain, heart and soul.

 

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